I think the Trump administration has lost control of the deportation narrative - and maybe MN

How could civil order possibly be restored in Minneapolis? Assuming, of course, that lawful deportations continue as they should.

I first of all assume that anyone reading this here finds truthful sources of information and narrative online and is completely disregarding the spin that the big networks put on these stories. I also assume that every one of you correctly understands the wide scope and continuous nature of the Minnesota protests and also you have witnessed through videos the behavior and violence of the protesters. In other words be informed, not asking me to explain the current situation. You should be up to speed.

Ok, with that passive aggressive setup...

This idiot that was shot and killed today by ICE on the 24th:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odm5DF1D9dA

He has the appearance of a decent nice caring man.

The optics of this are FUCKING HORRIBLE. The circumstances and the person's reckless behavior are being swallowed up in a lot of coverage.

Plus the media-inflated coverage of the abandoned 5 year old kid that was framed as being held and detained.

I could see a lot of conservatives who haven't weaned completely off of mainstream news who don't get info from the alt media seeing this as well as Renee Good (bad) as "Kent State Moments".

Right now sitting from here: I don't see deportations continuing without real additional damage to the culture and the country.

First of all, assuming continued deportations - you have violent street mob behavior, egged on and ratified as acceptable behavior by the local politicians at all levels. How do you turn this off?

To get actual control on the ground I can see only the following measures:

- Martial law with arrest on violation.

- Arrest and detain the major and the governor, probably also the MN attorney general, incommunicado. Not allowed to speak or address the public. Probably under actual arrest and prohibited from online social media access, until they resign, or sign papers abdicating their anti fed anti ICE positions.

- Commandeer all of the the local media and start pumping out a continuing informational messages that amount to "This is the federal government. The constitution of the US gives the fed gov supremacy over state and local rule. We will continue to arrest and detain suspected illegal immigrants and lawbreakers. You cannot resist us without facing life changing consequences which may lead to death or imprisonment." Something that amounts to that. Just pumping the message out 24x7.

Basically, go totalitarian for real in that part of the US. Absolutely grind it into the faces of local populations that the recent behavior is unacceptable and may be fatal.

Essentially, the US government may have to literally go to war against the people and the government of Minnesota, and the peace will be forced, extorted and lethally enforced. Basically an occupation of hostile territory.

I don't see a middle ground at all.

Lastly for now, rioting is active like this at the worst of winter weather. What the fuck is spring or summer going to look like up there?

Yes it does not look good but we don't know what happened before the agents started manhandling the woman. It's possible she brought the problem on herself. As far as the man goes, we do know that interposing yourself between armed officers and a civilian when you yourself armed is simply asking for trouble. Personally I think he turned up to the vicinity looking for trouble and he found it. God rest his soul.

But there is a solution. At each future operation, send in officers in three specific groups. The first group is the ICE agents doing their job. The second group has the sole job of forming a human barrier and keeping protestors away from the first group, and politely telling any protestors that get too close that they will be arrested for interfering with a law enforcement operation if they don't step back. The third group has the sole job of arresting any person pointed out by the second group. They operate behind the line of the second group and quickly whisk the arrestee away.

Organise the logistics such as nearest federal court, nearest federal gaol cells etc and do the job in a polished way, and the public will soon get the message that perhaps they should give ICE room to do their job, or simply not turn up in the first place.

but we don't know what happened before the agents started manhandling the woman....

This has been extremely, thoroughly covered in the alt-media which was the setup in my original post. I'm saying that I'm not in the least outraged by either of these deaths. The victims chose these outcomes. The outcomes are conflated by the left as fascist overreach. A real fascist regime would shoot on sight. Each victim threatened the officer in question with deadly harm.

BUT FACTS DON'T MATTER AND MY POINT WAS THE **PERCEPTION** IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS KILLING PEACEFUL PROTESTORS. AND MIDTERM ELECTIONS ARE COMING UP.

But there is a solution. At each future operation, send in officers in three specific groups.

Not a solution. (I am not a cop but guessing logically...) That would require triple the boots on the ground that the feds use now plus triple the coordination of manpower. It would be an obstacle to scale and the administration has to go for scale due to the magnitude of the problem. There probably aren't even enough federal officers in the system to do this. That's why we don't see that. That is exactly why we need the insurrection act and a lockdown on street activity.

Organise the logistics such as nearest federal court, nearest federal gaol cells etc and do the job in a polished way,

First you need prosecutions that stick.

,ndo - MY POINT IS THIS SIMPLY: Minneapolis and MN are in a free fall state of anarchy. MN has historically been regarded as the stable heartland of the US. When I think of MN I think of a guy in a shack on a frozen lake ice fishing and people making ridiculous casseroles like cream of tuna for church picnics.

So it makes all of us in the rest of the country who aren't head up the ass libtards nervous. We don't need this shit coming to Philadelphia or Cincinnati.

If ICE stopped arrests there and they left today: you will still have thousands of what are essentially felons - the multitude of protestors who have done violence and gotten away with it. As well as broken, communist aligned local government. Neither of these should be allowed to stand. There is no exit ramp here.

Communism was basically illegal in the US until the 1960s. That doctrine needs to come back with fervent prosecution and outright persecution of communists and communist aligned politicians.

Those are big problems to have laying around in what is supposed to be a rule of law country.

Trump is sending Tom Homan to Minneapolis now to oversee what's happening there. Curiously, Tim Walz called Trump after hearing about that and now seems to want to work with him. We'll see how that works out.

The optics are horrible that the "nice, caring young man" was shot dead by an ICE agent, but just like the other dip shit Renee Good, he was a member of one of those ICE watch organizations. They were looking for trouble and found it. Its sad that it happened, but they were both crazed liberals.

If Walz will work with Trump it will de-escalate the situation. We'll see, but I don't trust it. If it doesn't work Trump could use the insurrection act to control the situation.

The optics are horrible that the "nice, caring young man" was shot dead by an ICE agent, but just like the other dip shit Renee Good,

The death of Alex Pretti IMO is far more questionable than the shooting of Renee "Bad".

"nice, caring young man" for real, Jo. You want to say he's a dipshit and scum. Separate out his actions on the day he was shot and he seemed to be a stand up guy. At least that is how the media reports it.

You seem to indicate that the optics (appearance) is irrelevant because what people read into it is not "the truth" and what you think. To someone who isn't versed on the necessity of ICE operations it looked like butchery.

He was a dumbass for carrying a loaded gun into basically a riot and there's a reasonable question why he thought that was a thing to do. And people have been killed by police for much, much less and not had any public hearing. It still stinks like a dead mackerel.

If Walz will work with Trump it will de-escalate the situation. We'll see, but I don't trust it. If it doesn't work Trump could use the insurrection act to control the situation.

I don't comprehend in any way whatsoever how Trump "works with" Walz or any other public official in MN. ICE is there because of factors that the MN establishment basically says are irrelevant or are lies. There's no "works with" here. What Trump is doing is completely alien to the liberal mindset.

I'm saying that MN can't be reasoned with and therefore an authoritarian war between the states mode is correct here.

Trump has not acted meaningfully to ensure public safety, and bringing in the military and enforcing curfews, which for some reason he won't do, would greatly reduce the safety issues.

I say Trump's virtually guaranteeing that the house loses to the Dems later this year. Then he another fucking impeachment starts, and endless TDS hearings.

I would actually support Trump in invoking a national insurrection act and suspending the next election. Right now he's treading a middle ground that satisfies nothing.

For someone with such a big fucking mouth Trump has no balls where it counts. It's easy to call a foreign leader a pussy, but immensely harder to crack the whip on your own population.

I think the optics are very relevant. Its unfortunate that Pretti was killed but it turns out he really wasn't such a nice young man. He was an anti-ICE agitator and it wasn't his first encounter with ICE.

"Alex Pretti, the armed anti-ICE agitator who was fatally shot by a DHS agent over the weekend, was known to federal law enforcement.

According to CNN, Pretti broke a rib after getting tackled by agents as he attempted to impede an immigration operation just one week before his death."

Nice young men don't interfere with ICE when they're trying to remove illegal alien criminals from the community. Sure, maybe Pretti was nice when he wasn't fighting the government, but I see him as just another liberal scumbag.

What ICE is doing is necessary but its really hard to look at the street riots going on there. Its ugly. If Walz doesn't come through, Trump could use the Insurrection Act but he's hesitant to do it. Its easier to force Walz to do what he wants.

Check this out:

https://buzzreport247.com/lananhbtv/ad-hospital-director-speaks-out-former-employee-alex-pretti-fired-three-months-ago-amid-multiple-complaints-of-inappropriate-behavior/

He was a cross dressing faggot and was apparently fired from the VA for perverted activities around VA patients, if this article is to be believed.

LOL. Every dress wearing bearded faggot hates ICE.

EDIT: apparently multiple other sources are furiously debunking this story.

We're truly in an information war.

ANOTHER EDIT: He had ribs broken a week earlier in a previous confrontation with police/ICE.

Ok, he was a dipshit.

I'm not surprised to hear he's a cross-dressing faggot. He's an angry liberal soy boy. Its hard to know what's true anymore when it comes to the media. He looks like a gay man with emotional problems to me. How he was ever allowed to have a concealed carry license, I don't know, but he shouldn't be carrying when he's at a protest.

He was not the innocent bystander the lying media portray him as. Another video shows him spitting at an ICE vehicle as they were leaving and then he kicked the tail light out on their vehicle.

https://x.com/RyanSaavedra/status/2016611647553413126

If you are following the police around all day and obstructing them, assaulting them, and starting fights, then you deserve to get shot.

How did police get so cucked that we expect them to do nothing when a violent mob is following them around all day?

The whole point of government is monopoly on use of force. If another group is able to use violence and get the government to back down, then you don't have a government anymore.

In 2020, there were anti-cop anti-White riots.

In 2023, there were anti-Israel anti-Jew riots.

Now there are anti-ICE riots.

They get away with rioting now, next time they'll be rioting for whatever is the new cause.

1000% agreed.

As you said we need more dead rioters. Lots more. A bloodbath.

I said Trump should go full totalitarian. You made that idea much more tangible. And is really what I meant.

Fuck these rioters. Bullets through the head.

Those people are looking for trouble and eventually they find it. If you harass and impede the police, you could be shot dead. The police there weren't allowed to be involved with ICE so they were on their own. Its really bad when blue states won't work with the federal government to remove criminals in their state. Bad things will happen.

Rioting will continue until the people funding it and pushing it are shut down.

The fundamental issue, I think, is whether or not local police are assisting ICE operations.

In some places they are assisting and the operations are going smoothly. Trump reckons this is happening even in some Democrat states.

In other places police are not assisting and the operations are having various problems. Minneapolis is one such place and two people have been killed. Walls and Fry both need a bomb put under them, and instruct the police to assist. But according to treehouse, they and a variety of interests are all protecting a decades-old fraud operation.

After the people were killed, it was clear to everyone that things have to change. Trump sent Homan there to force Walz to allow the local PD to provide support and he has been so far. Unbelievably, AG Ellison will notify ICE when the criminals are being released so they can pick them up there. I think I read there are about 1300 eligible criminals in their jails that ICE can take.

Frey still refuses to work with ICE, but I'm sure Homan will convince him its in his best interest. Walz and Frey both have a lot to answer for because of all the fraud. They looked the other way for years. Now, they're busted, and its only the beginning for them. The Minnesota fraud exposed the Democrat party mafia and how they operate. Its going to get interesting.

"Colin McDonald has been nominated by President Donald Trump to serve as the first-ever Assistant Attorney General for National Fraud Enforcement, a newly created role within the Department of Justice."

We've established the precedent that rioters can assault and obstruct police, and the police are supposed to just stand there and take it. This has led to organized riots, because the rioters know there are no consequences. They won't get shot. They don't fear prosecution, because many judges are on their side and the next Democrat President pardons them.

The only 2 anti-ICE rioters that faced real consequences are the two that died.

At this point, the only solution is the Iran method: mass slaughter of rioters. Anyone who assaults or obstructs police should get shot, no questions asked.

Its a no-win situation for right now. Rioters get away with it and many get paid to do it. I don't know if ICE Watch people get paid. They're just zealots that have TDS.

The Iran method wouldn't end it. They have to get the people that organize and fund the "protests". What they're doing is unacceptable and illegal. They're impeding law enforcement.

https://x.com/David_Khait/status/2017428055954739314

The judges have picked sides for sure.

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I think the Trump administration has lost control of the deportation narrative - and maybe MN (Public Board)

I think the Trump administration has lost control of the deportation narrative - and maybe MN

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I think the Trump administration has lost control of the deportation narrative - and maybe MN

Trump should go totalitarian because the optics have failed

Trump should go totalitarian because the optics have failed

I guess I'll take the L on this one :) ... maybe

I guess I'll take the L on this one :) ... maybe

If You Start Fights With Police, You Deserve To Get Shot

Like you said

If You Start Fights With Police, You Deserve To Get Shot

Trump should go totalitarian because the optics have failed

Trump should go totalitarian because the optics have failed

Needs Many More Dead Rioters

Needs Many More Dead Rioters